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	<title>Comments on: What Does a &#8220;Bad&#8221; Decision Look Like on a Candidate&#8217;s resume?</title>
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		<title>By: gregbo</title>
		<link>http://jrothman.com/blog/htp/2007/09/what-does-a-bad-decision-look-like-on-a-candidates-resume.html#comment-257</link>
		<dc:creator>gregbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liz,

Fair enough, but you are still taking the stance that in a hiring situation, the company has more to lose by hiring a non-perfect fit.  What about people who take a job that they want very much, and are a good match, but are laid off, or the company goes out of business?  Didn't they risk just as much instead of going to work somewhere else?

Stressedmanager,

When I was younger, I said I wanted to be a manager, but I think what I really meant is what is now called a "technical lead" or a "software architect".  Such a person does software development, but in consideration with larger, longer-term strategic goals about what the project (and perhaps the company) should be.  There is a lot of brainstorming, design work, prototyping, etc.  There &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;isn't&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; a lot of what is usually asked for in most s/w eng interviews, such as highly detailed questions ("What tcpdump option prints out DNS packets?") or questions unrelated to the job at hand ("I see you have Perl experience on your résumé - are you &lt;i&gt;sure&lt;/i&gt; you want this network software development job?").

There are also a lot of s/w engineers who go into management because it provides more job security. The managers, after all, are usually the ones making the hiring decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liz,</p>
<p>Fair enough, but you are still taking the stance that in a hiring situation, the company has more to lose by hiring a non-perfect fit.  What about people who take a job that they want very much, and are a good match, but are laid off, or the company goes out of business?  Didn&#8217;t they risk just as much instead of going to work somewhere else?</p>
<p>Stressedmanager,</p>
<p>When I was younger, I said I wanted to be a manager, but I think what I really meant is what is now called a &#8220;technical lead&#8221; or a &#8220;software architect&#8221;.  Such a person does software development, but in consideration with larger, longer-term strategic goals about what the project (and perhaps the company) should be.  There is a lot of brainstorming, design work, prototyping, etc.  There <b><i>isn&#8217;t</i></b> a lot of what is usually asked for in most s/w eng interviews, such as highly detailed questions (&#8221;What tcpdump option prints out DNS packets?&#8221;) or questions unrelated to the job at hand (&#8221;I see you have Perl experience on your résumé - are you <i>sure</i> you want this network software development job?&#8221;).</p>
<p>There are also a lot of s/w engineers who go into management because it provides more job security. The managers, after all, are usually the ones making the hiring decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Stressedmanager</title>
		<link>http://jrothman.com/blog/htp/2007/09/what-does-a-bad-decision-look-like-on-a-candidates-resume.html#comment-256</link>
		<dc:creator>Stressedmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, thanks for the explanation, Liz... It makes sense.

As I wrote, I am at a point in my carreer where it feels as if I have to make the choice soon. A friend sent me &lt;a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/philipsu/archive/2006/03/19/554743.aspx" rel="nofollow"&gt;this blog post&lt;/a&gt;, which further made me want to go back to more technical work again.

But I am still not sure what to do... Any advice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, thanks for the explanation, Liz&#8230; It makes sense.</p>
<p>As I wrote, I am at a point in my carreer where it feels as if I have to make the choice soon. A friend sent me <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/philipsu/archive/2006/03/19/554743.aspx" rel="nofollow">this blog post</a>, which further made me want to go back to more technical work again.</p>
<p>But I am still not sure what to do&#8230; Any advice?</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://jrothman.com/blog/htp/2007/09/what-does-a-bad-decision-look-like-on-a-candidates-resume.html#comment-254</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gregbo,
I guess my comment was misconstrued.  I intended to mean that if the candidate had two (or more) short-term tester/analyst positions after a lengthy time as a lead or manager.  It would then appear to me that he/she was job hopping in the hopes of landing a managerial or lead position again and thus, the training dollars I would spend on him/her would be ill-spent -- if not wasted altogether. I did say, I would expect that there would be a good explaination for 'down grading'.  e.g. - tried it, not ready for a management position - tried it would rather take the technical challenge...etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gregbo,<br />
I guess my comment was misconstrued.  I intended to mean that if the candidate had two (or more) short-term tester/analyst positions after a lengthy time as a lead or manager.  It would then appear to me that he/she was job hopping in the hopes of landing a managerial or lead position again and thus, the training dollars I would spend on him/her would be ill-spent &#8212; if not wasted altogether. I did say, I would expect that there would be a good explaination for &#8216;down grading&#8217;.  e.g. - tried it, not ready for a management position - tried it would rather take the technical challenge&#8230;etc.</p>
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		<title>By: gregbo</title>
		<link>http://jrothman.com/blog/htp/2007/09/what-does-a-bad-decision-look-like-on-a-candidates-resume.html#comment-252</link>
		<dc:creator>gregbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 20:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What has been lost (among other things) is the concept of the hard worker who gets the job done.  Instead, companies complain that they can't find qualified people, but they turn people away who they feel may be "bored" or "unsuitable", even if they have the skills to do the jobs.  Everyone is not independently wealthy.  Some people have to work to pay the bills.  They shouldn't be turned away just because in the past, they took jobs outside of their ideal career path because they had financial obligations and commitments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What has been lost (among other things) is the concept of the hard worker who gets the job done.  Instead, companies complain that they can&#8217;t find qualified people, but they turn people away who they feel may be &#8220;bored&#8221; or &#8220;unsuitable&#8221;, even if they have the skills to do the jobs.  Everyone is not independently wealthy.  Some people have to work to pay the bills.  They shouldn&#8217;t be turned away just because in the past, they took jobs outside of their ideal career path because they had financial obligations and commitments.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://jrothman.com/blog/htp/2007/09/what-does-a-bad-decision-look-like-on-a-candidates-resume.html#comment-249</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moving up and down the ladder isn't necessarily bad.  But if I have a candidate for a test analyst role  that has a manager title or a team lead title followed by two short term analyst/tester roles, I'm going to make darn sure that he's not going to be bored/unhappy or unchallenged by the continued demotion.  

When interviewing mostly what I look for is continuous employment for one or more years at the same job.  If they're a contractor, were they kept on or, even better, asked back for another project?  If they've been with the same company for a long time, have they progressed or been promoted?  If a candidate has left a lead or managerial role for a technical role, I'd expect to have them explain in the interview why they did so, or why they are interested in doing so.  I'd also be sure that their skills are up to snuff.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moving up and down the ladder isn&#8217;t necessarily bad.  But if I have a candidate for a test analyst role  that has a manager title or a team lead title followed by two short term analyst/tester roles, I&#8217;m going to make darn sure that he&#8217;s not going to be bored/unhappy or unchallenged by the continued demotion.  </p>
<p>When interviewing mostly what I look for is continuous employment for one or more years at the same job.  If they&#8217;re a contractor, were they kept on or, even better, asked back for another project?  If they&#8217;ve been with the same company for a long time, have they progressed or been promoted?  If a candidate has left a lead or managerial role for a technical role, I&#8217;d expect to have them explain in the interview why they did so, or why they are interested in doing so.  I&#8217;d also be sure that their skills are up to snuff&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Stressedmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stressedmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is moving up and down the ladder bad? Personally, I'm at a crossroads where I have to choose between continuing as a manager, or going back to a technical oriented position (which is what I really love).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is moving up and down the ladder bad? Personally, I&#8217;m at a crossroads where I have to choose between continuing as a manager, or going back to a technical oriented position (which is what I really love).</p>
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